Hi, I was wondering if it was possible that you guys could take a look at optimising Boston at some point. Recent updates have made it slightly better but I still find it to be the worst performing FT airport under CYYZ which I know is pending an update anyway so I'd really appreciate it if you could look into that!
Thanks
Boston MSFS Performance
- KianAlli28
- Posts: 2
- george[flytampa]
- Site Admin
- Posts: 3868
Re: Boston MSFS Performance
Boston is already optimised to death but the surroundings are heavy by default.
What kind of system do you have as it runs really well in our testing?
What kind of system do you have as it runs really well in our testing?
- KianAlli28
- Posts: 2
Re: Boston MSFS Performance
I have a 3070, i7 12700K and 32GBs RAM. But if it’s the surrounding PG that is the problem don’t worry about it. I wasn’t sure if it was that or not but it would make sense now you’ve said it since most of your newer airports are surrounded by more optimised or newer PG too. Thanks anyway though!george[flytampa] wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:46 am Boston is already optimised to death but the surroundings are heavy by default.
What kind of system do you have as it runs really well in our testing?
Also, whilst I’m here, as I mentioned above about CYYZ, is the update still in development for that?
Re: Boston MSFS Performance
I love the scenery for the couple of minutes I get the see it in MSFS. It then crashes. I have attempted two flights within a two day period from Denver to Boston and I always get a CTD about 100 miles out. I actually needed a fresh install of MSFS 2020, so I decided to do that and attempt the same route again. Same issue (sad after a long flight). however, I decided to uninstall the scenery (purchased from ORBX) and install again directly into my MSFS community folder to see if I get a different result. Same issue. I went further by starting a flight at Boston Airport at the gate and within a minute I had another CTD. I am using the Nvidia App optimized with dx12. Using AMD Ryzen 9 5950 X 16 Core Processor, Windows 11 Home Version, RAM 64 GB, Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090. Any guidance would be appreciated. Happy Holidays.
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Crash Report
/!/ CRASH /!/TOML
[OnCrash]
Msg="_handleSEH"
Type="SEH"
Code=0xC0000005
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IsMSIXVC=true
FreeOpenOpsCount-Main=1024
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Platform="PC"
Cpu="AuthenticAMD"
Brand="AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor "
DriverVersion="56636"
GPUName="NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090"
HWS_Enabled=0
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UserContainerTitle="PMDG 737-800 United Airlines (N37267 | 2019 | EvoBlu)"
Latitude=42.361638
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IsOnGround=true
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Standard="431/432"
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DNE="0/19"
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TiedToExe_PC="2/2"
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Maverick="0/20"
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[DoneIO]
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Id_129="fs2crew-data-proc"
Id_130="fsdt-msfs-bridge"
Id_131="FSUIPC.LVAR.WASM"
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- george[flytampa]
- Site Admin
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Re: Boston MSFS Performance
It doesn't sound like the scenery is causing the problem if it CTDs 100 miles from the airport. The scenery doesn't load in that far out.samiranks wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:49 pm I love the scenery for the couple of minutes I get the see it in MSFS. It then crashes. I have attempted two flights within a two day period from Denver to Boston and I always get a CTD about 100 miles out. I actually needed a fresh install of MSFS 2020, so I decided to do that and attempt the same route again. Same issue (sad after a long flight). however, I decided to uninstall the scenery (purchased from ORBX) and install again directly into my MSFS community folder to see if I get a different result. Same issue. I went further by starting a flight at Boston Airport at the gate and within a minute I had another CTD. I am using the Nvidia App optimized with dx12. Using AMD Ryzen 9 5950 X 16 Core Processor, Windows 11 Home Version, RAM 64 GB, Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090. Any guidance would be appreciated. Happy Holidays.
It might be a system stability problem, bad overclock, overheating, memory or cpu voltages. Try running a stress test on your PC to see if its stable.
Any AI traffic installed? A bad ai flightplan could cause a issue. Try the flight without AI. Try a different aircraft.
Make sure you have Boston V1.9 released a few days ago. V1.8 and 1.9 reduced a lot of VRAM but you have a 3090 with 24gb so I doubt that helps.
Re: Boston MSFS Performance
Thanks for responding. I might be have exaggerated on the distance. I purchased from Orbx so I believe it’s the latest. I also started a flight from the airport at gate B26 to test and CTD happened within a minute. I deleted the scenery and installed the one from Feelthere (prefer FlyTampa, but wanted to check) and it works. Not sure what could be the cause. I did a stress test and VRAM appeared to be fine as well. Hopefully I figure out the issue. I’m not sure how to read the crash test from MSFS above. Hoping it would’ve shed some light.
Re: Boston MSFS Performance
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It doesn't sound like the scenery is causing the problem if it CTDs 100 miles from the airport. The scenery doesn't load in that far out.
It might be a system stability problem, bad overclock, overheating, memory or cpu voltages. Try running a stress test on your PC to see if its stable.
Any AI traffic installed? A bad ai flightplan could cause a issue. Try the flight without AI. Try a different aircraft.
Make sure you have Boston V1.9 released a few days ago. V1.8 and 1.9 reduced a lot of VRAM but you have a 3090 with 24gb so I doubt that helps.
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Hi George
Same issue here on msfs2020 with kbos v1.9 freshly updated via orbx (complete uninstall/redownload an install)
when i start a flight from kbos the sim crash after a couple of seconds or minutes, even if if let the plane cold and dark and do anything
I've the with ifly 738 or pmdg 738 same result
But meanwhile i can start a flight from kiad by flightbeam and fly everywhere i want without ctd
I did the same test always at kbos but default 2020 scenery, i mean flytampa scenery completely erased from my hdd
i can stand at gate b35 during 30min
Still investigating...
Regards
It doesn't sound like the scenery is causing the problem if it CTDs 100 miles from the airport. The scenery doesn't load in that far out.
It might be a system stability problem, bad overclock, overheating, memory or cpu voltages. Try running a stress test on your PC to see if its stable.
Any AI traffic installed? A bad ai flightplan could cause a issue. Try the flight without AI. Try a different aircraft.
Make sure you have Boston V1.9 released a few days ago. V1.8 and 1.9 reduced a lot of VRAM but you have a 3090 with 24gb so I doubt that helps.
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Hi George
Same issue here on msfs2020 with kbos v1.9 freshly updated via orbx (complete uninstall/redownload an install)
when i start a flight from kbos the sim crash after a couple of seconds or minutes, even if if let the plane cold and dark and do anything
I've the with ifly 738 or pmdg 738 same result
But meanwhile i can start a flight from kiad by flightbeam and fly everywhere i want without ctd
I did the same test always at kbos but default 2020 scenery, i mean flytampa scenery completely erased from my hdd
i can stand at gate b35 during 30min
Still investigating...
Regards
- george[flytampa]
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- Posts: 3868
Re: Boston MSFS Performance
I just tried a few circuits in the ini a320neo, which is probably the most complex aircraft I have installed. No CTDs.
I've not reallt got any ideas other than some spring cleaning like emptying the rolling cache in Data section of the FS options. You could also try deleting the scenery indexes. Found in Users\yourname\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\SceneryIndexes. It will rebuild them on next load but back them up just to be sure.
Also try emptying(copy the files somewhere else temporary) the community folder and run with just Boston.
Does it run longer with a default cessna? Or still CTDs?
I've not reallt got any ideas other than some spring cleaning like emptying the rolling cache in Data section of the FS options. You could also try deleting the scenery indexes. Found in Users\yourname\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\SceneryIndexes. It will rebuild them on next load but back them up just to be sure.
Also try emptying(copy the files somewhere else temporary) the community folder and run with just Boston.
Does it run longer with a default cessna? Or still CTDs?
- george[flytampa]
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Re: Boston MSFS Performance
If you guys were running the Orbx version, please try downloading it again. There might have been some corrupt files.
Re: Boston MSFS Performance
Hi Georgegeorge[flytampa] wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2025 4:53 pm If you guys were running the Orbx version, please try downloading it again. There might have been some corrupt files.
Thanx for your reply and implication
I've just updated Kbos via Orbx
And i just did a quick test on tarmac with traffic and all stuff ON like FsRealistic, FSUIPC and i spent 15min without crashing
To Be Continued...
Regards