TNCM - Planes land and takeoff on runway 27.

Pepston
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TNCM - Planes land and takeoff on runway 27.

Post by Pepston » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:00 pm

Why are the planes not landing and taking off on runway 9?
skydvdan
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Post by skydvdan » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:09 pm

What's the wind doing?
Pepston
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Post by Pepston » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:15 pm

Not sure, It's on real-world weather.
paavo
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Post by paavo » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:23 pm

Sounds like a wind reversal, 200 at 6 kt

METAR TNCM 211700Z 20006KT 140V250 9999 FEW021 BKN290 31/24 Q1014
polcat
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Post by polcat » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:42 am

To ensure I always had traffic landing on Rwy 09, I "closed" rwy 27 using AFCAD. I too kept getting traffic landing on 27.
tariqali
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Post by tariqali » Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:42 pm

polcat wrote:To ensure I always had traffic landing on Rwy 09, I "closed" rwy 27 using AFCAD. I too kept getting traffic landing on 27.
I am having the same problem too. The landing/takeofff always on rwy 27. Can someone explaing how to change the AFCAD to close RWY 27? Or how to set the wind direction to fix this? I always use the real world weather too (download every 15 min)

Thanks.
BodoM
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Post by BodoM » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:15 pm

polcat wrote:To ensure I always had traffic landing on Rwy 09, I "closed" rwy 27 using AFCAD. I too kept getting traffic landing on 27.
Hi,

due to limitations of FS you cannot close a single site of a runway but only both sites. So what you can is:

- closing boths sites of a runway for takeoff / open both sites for landing
- closing both sites for landing / open both sites for take-off

You have the same problem for realistic landings at KLAX, even winds are from the east aircrafts do land on 25 / 24 at daytime, only at night time from the seaside. With the limitations of FS this is not capable.

BTW, TNCM...I wonder if in real life aircraft do apprach to RWY 27, I hardly doubt that because of the hill there.
skayle
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Post by skayle » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:58 pm

Aircraft do occasionally land and take off from runway 27 though runway 9 is most commonly used. If I recall correctly its usually during mid to late summer. I used to hike up a hill to marvel overhead at the challenging landings on runway 27.

But nothing beats the close up action of Sunset Beach in Maho. I must say FlyTampa did an amazing job in capturing detail in and around the airports of St. Maarten and St. Barths. I guess someone had some good times over there :D
RFields
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Post by RFields » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:15 pm

You can close a runway on only one end in FS2004 - there are at least three default runway setup this way in FS2004 we have found so far.

They are:

EDDF:

Rwy 08R
Rwy 36

EGLL:

Rwy 05

There two requirements for this to work.

1. Mark the AFCAD file for Rwy 27 at TNCM closed for landing and takeoff both on Rwy 27
2. Delete the Rwy 27 start position.

You will then have a single direction airport with only Rwy 9 used for landing and takeoff.

This method may not work in all cases - especially on runways with an ILS and ILS approaches coded - i.e. Setting up KSAN for landings and takeoffs on Rwy 27 only - doesn't work because only Rwy 9 has an ILS.
KingCat
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Post by KingCat » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:00 am

RFields wrote:2. Delete the Rwy 27 start position.
What do you mean by deleting the start position? Could you post a screenshot of the section that you have to delete in the AFCAD?

Thanks in advance.


Jon
RFields
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Post by RFields » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:07 am

Not from work.

First make a backup copy of your AFCAD.

Then open TNCM with AFCAD

From the top menu select View > Show Start Locations

A circle with an arrow will appear on the runway near each end. Click on to hilight the one on the east end next to the numbers 27 on the runway.

Press Delete

Save the AFCAD - delete the scenery.dat file from the folder which holds the Scenery folder containing the AFCAD - start FS and test.

Alternately, you can go to the top menu > List > Start Locations - hilight the Rwy 27 start location and press the delete button.

Start Locations are a very critical element in airports and controlling AI behavior - especially the elevation of the airport.
KingCat
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Post by KingCat » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:22 am

RFields wrote:Save the AFCAD - delete the scenery.dat file from the folder which holds the Scenery folder containing the AFCAD - start FS and test.
Ok. But why do I have to delete the scenery.dat file? Does this file have anything to do with the AFCAD?


Jon
jvile
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Post by jvile » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:27 am

Once you delete the Start Location be sure and open the runway properties and put a checkmark in the 2 boxes that says "closed for takoff" and "closed for landing" (RWY27)

Delete the scenery.dat and it will rebuild when you start FS9. FS does a poor job in flushing out left over data in the .dat files. Many complain that they change something and don't see their results because of this issue.

It is some additional insurance that everything is going to work the way you want it to.
KingCat
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Post by KingCat » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:54 pm

jvile wrote:Delete the scenery.dat and it will rebuild when you start FS9.
I can't find the file scenery.dat, but I guess you mean the file scenery.cfg??


Jon
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