TNCM procedures for Rwy 9

[psolk]

Hey Everyone,
I have a quick question about the rwy 9 landing procedures. I use Navigraph nDAC 3.0 and i got the TNCM charts when I got the scenery. I am having a problem reading the RWY9 procedures though. It looks like the TNCM procedure calls for an entry point directly above the airport at PJM with a hold and then outbound to PJM 02, 04, 05 for ~ 9-10 miles before turning back to 096 and PJM07 for the approach to RWY 9 which is 3 degrees offset.

Is that really what an eastbound approaching flight would do? I am doing KEWR-TNCM and wouldn't I just come into PJM 07 then 05, 04, 02 directly or because of the visual procedures is it completely different?
Just trying to get it right
Thanks in advance,
-Paul

[flyhalf]

That's the only chart I have too. Hard to say what eastbound flights would do. Maybe they would join the 7 DME arc at some point to the north and come round to the initial approach fix.

[awf]

Hey Everyone,
I have a quick question about the rwy 9 landing procedures. I use Navigraph nDAC 3.0 and i got the TNCM charts when I got the scenery. I am having a problem reading the RWY9 procedures though. It looks like the TNCM procedure calls for an entry point directly above the airport at PJM with a hold and then outbound to PJM 02, 04, 05 for ~ 9-10 miles before turning back to 096 and PJM07 for the approach to RWY 9 which is 3 degrees offset.

Is that really what an eastbound approaching flight would do? I am doing KEWR-TNCM and wouldn't I just come into PJM 07 then 05, 04, 02 directly or because of the visual procedures is it completely different?
Just trying to get it right
Thanks in advance,
-Paul

No answer but only to say hello Paul great stuff this scenery

[psolk]

That's what I was thinking flyhalf. Come in from 318 and join the arc. Not the clearest chart in the world...

Hey Andre!!! Hope all is well with you. This scenery is the best thing to happen to FS in quite some time. I have spent the whole day flying KEWR-TNCM. TNCM-TFFJ. Then I saw all the posts on adding AI. First I added the winn-air flights with the Otter and the BN2. Then I went to World of AI and got the whole CO, AA, AF, KLM. BA and DL packages. Spent a little bit converting everything to DXt V1 and checking everything out. Now I am doing KEWR-TNCM AGAIN with all the traffic I just added. What a difference, even mith MT already installed, World of AI made KEWR come alive!

Then Bachman just sent me a fabulous traffic file I will install later and I think I just made TNCM my home base .

Great to see you and hear from you Andre, hope all is well with you and the family.

OK, now back to the procedures. Does anyone have more accurate procedures?

Thanks in advance,
-Paul

[N620AA]

Here goes:

TNCM works with arrival gates. The west gates (SLUGO, JUICE, GOUDA and DANDE) normally don't use the VOR DME 09 as published. They fly the straight-in approach, visual in daytime and good conditions (most of the time), VOR straight-in at night or bad weather (vectors to intercept R-096 of the PJM VOR until you see the lights). Here's the real restrictions they assign:

SLUGO: Cross at 13,000, then vectors for the approach.
JUICE: Cross at 11,000, then vectors for the approach.
GOUDA: Cross at 11,000, then vectors for the approach.
DANDE: Cross at 13,000, then vectors for the approach.

For arrivals from Europe, and arrivals from the South, they do use the VOR DME, usually minus the hold, unless the heavy departure or arrival pushes are going on. However, pilots prefer the visual, and they usually grant it.

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, shoot and I'll answer (when I'm not getting hammered on the scope, I just finished working a 50-aircraft departure push over a 2-hour span on VATSIM).

[B777ER]

Good job with that push Daniel. I was DL483 that landed around 2030hrs Atlantic time. Sounded like a bunch of noobs flying around. Thanks for the info on the arrival gates...I am marking your info down on my charts. The navigraph charts I picked up today are a little sparse. One would think they would at least print out a STAR plate with the arrival gates shown on it. Heck, even TFFR and TFFF have that.
By the way guys, I recommend getting TFFF and TFFR from France VFR. They compliment TNCM very well and are pretty good sceneries. Check Simmarket for details.

[vaccaro]

As I am re installing everything I don't have access to the charts however, on the charts there should be something like (no PT for eastbound).
Cheers,