KaiTak Screenshots

FlySanJose · Post by **FlySanJose** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:33 pm

martin[flytampa] wrote:It may look like this when I'm done:

Overexposed?

flightsimulatorpilot · Post by **flightsimulatorpilot** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:53 pm

Wow, amazing shots! I can't believe how real that looks! Nice work FT team. You've outdone yourselves (actually, everyone) with this scenery.

A question, though: Is it possible to just get the city without the airport?

Thanks!

jvile · Post by **jvile** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:54 pm

I noticed though that the approach lights on runway 13 are ALSF-1 but they should be more like Calvert I style. In real life it was probably not exactly Calvert I but in my opinion that would be the closest that is available in the sim.

The approach lighting for the IGS 13 runway are neither a ALSF-1 or ALSF-2 but a combination of both controlled by the Tower under certain conditions.

The lighting had to be designed specially for Kai Tak because of the lead in strobes. Zoom in, those are real pictures.

http://www.cad.gov.hk/english/60th_images/airport16.jpg

ALSF-1 and 2 are weather visibility sensing approach lighting as per FAA and FS9/FSX models those as per real world. At Kai Tak the curved lead in strobes flash regardless of night visibility. However the combination of the ALSF-1 and 2 center line DO NOT strobe if visiblity is greater then 3 miles.

FS9 and FSX modeled the ALSF-1 and 2 so the strobes are not active unless the visiblity falls below 3 miles. This is the same way Kai Tak works.

Run the following video. What you will see is a night visual landing at Kai Tak. You will hear the Controller clear the Pilot for the night visual landing. Do not confuse a visual landing with what we call a visual approach, they are different.

During several frames of the video you will see the curved lead in strobes are on. When the video gets close to 6 minutes duration pay attention to the runway approach lights. They are closely related to a ALSF-1 but the center strobes are not on. Only if the visibility falls below 3 miles and the landing is non-visual (MAP waypoint) then the tower turns on the approach runway stobes which are also sequenced with the lead in strobes. The Tower also has other options for lighting both on field and off field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X6HNOKSQUs

In Martin's picture you see red center and red lights going all the way across the displaced theshold of the runway. Some are even elevated on poles along the front road. These lights were also controlled by the Tower for on /off purposes and have strobes when applicable for visibility issues. Notice the elevated red lights on the poles. There is a light under each red light. These are the stobes that sequence from left to right along the frontal Terminal Road that Tower can activate (see end of video).

Which ever way Martin models the lights will be correct because in the end FS does not have a switch to turn on or off certain approach lights like a Tower has based on visibility. The only thing the weather engine in FS controls is the runway approach strobes on/off and that is for only certain type approach lights (ALSF-1, 2).

But then who knows, Martin may have some tricks up his sleeve working in conjunction with the weather engine of FS.

xaxa9 · Post by **xaxa9** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:11 pm

great video, never seen it before

thanks for all the explanations....

hope martijn and george can do something about it....

strega13 · Post by **strega13** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:44 pm

thank you , fly tampa .
i have the 9dragons installed and it runs really good ( except with the more complex planes where it drags a bit ) but knowing how you guys are able to have extreme details while keeping good frame rates , i will be sure to get this rendition of kai tak when it comes out .
it is great that it is not a "FSX only" add-on too . it is becoming way too rare these days .

altstiff · Post by **altstiff** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:28 pm

FlySanJose wrote:
martin[flytampa] wrote:It may look like this when I'm done:
Overexposed?

Blurry?

B777ER · Post by **B777ER** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:45 pm

I hope Martin includes the last printed charts for Kai Tak. I cannot find them anywhere.

jvile · Post by **jvile** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:51 am

I hope Martin includes the last printed charts for Kai Tak. I cannot find them anywhere.

you can get them here

http://www.flyingtigersgroup.org/Cathay/KaiTak.htm

or out of any my Kai Tak's on AVSIM

flyhalf · Post by **flyhalf** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:51 pm

I might have to make "Kai Tak: Reloaded: Reloaded..." hehe

flyhalf · Post by **flyhalf** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:53 pm

_Dre_ wrote:I don't quite get what all the worry about getting traffic into VHHX is coming from. CLK is an extremely busy airport so if you divert 1/3 of the commercial traffic going/leaving from there and 1/2 the cargo you should have all the traffic you need without any noticeable difference at VHHH.

Exactly... have a bit of enterprise and stop complaining. There's traffic for everyone!

Post by **martin[flytampa]** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:07 pm

flyhalf wrote:I might have to make "Kai Tak: Reloaded: Reloaded..." hehe

If you really want to do another video send me a short email. I tried yours but got a delivery failure.

rgamurot · Post by **rgamurot** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:34 am

The airport looks amazing and so does the city. And I hate to be nit picky but look at this image. hk_fs905.jpg I think it was 5th down? Why is that airbus landing with it's reverser's deployed?

xaxa9 · Post by **xaxa9** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:08 am

flyhalf wrote:I might have to make "Kai Tak: Reloaded: Reloaded..." hehe

ah the greatest kai tak lover...

I was waiting for you to show up

I don't know what you r going to come up with but it will sure tough to beat your 3 or 4 previous videos of the area.

anyways, you always amaza me...

Can't wait for the video...

hopefully before release

flyhalf · Post by **flyhalf** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:19 am

xaxa9 wrote: ah the greatest kai tak lover...

I was waiting for you to show up

I don't know what you r going to come up with but it will sure tough to beat your 3 or 4 previous videos of the area.

I know, that's what scares me!