Huge VAS issue

[Maikel]

Hi keino333, I'm running the i7-4770K and GTX770. As you mentioned you are enjoying the FPS you have at the moment. But that's not the problem because frames are not causing OOM's, when I'm at Schiphol with AS2016 reporting 100m vis and OVC clouds I still have a great frame rate between 30-40 in NGX VC. But I only have 200-400mb of VAS left, I would reather exchange some of the frames (because running at 20-ish fps is fine) for more VAS. Don't get me wrong, I've lowered my FSX settings and de-selected all options in the Schiphol configurator. Maybe replacing the custom city with autogen helps and I'll have a go at that.

Maikel

[Er!k]

I also had VAS issues but solved them by replacing the autogen by FSX controlled autogen as explained here: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=9637

[Maikel]

I've replaced the FT city with FSX autogen, unfortunately it doesn't have the effect I hoped for. Clean AMS install, LITETEX installed, all settings in the configurator unchecked/off. Loaded time 11:00Z, 2016-12-23 with weather Grey and Rainy. I tested the PMDG NGX and the 777 at 3 locations: D8, E19 and 36L.

*First digits is with normal installation and below that is the VAS with fsx controlled autogen.

NGX:
D8:
3380/82%
3320/82%

E19:
3431/84%
3358/82%

36L:
3439/84%
3367/83%

777:
D8:
3234/79%
3189/78%

E19:
3254/82%
3168/78%

36L:
3236/80%
3168/78%

So as you can see it saves you a maximum of 2%, which is negligible.

Maikel

[jeeno]

I agree with Maikel. I made also the test myself with and without custom autogen for Amsterdam city and the impact on VAS is totally negligible on FSX. My autogen slider is on "normal".
My opinion is that the problem is on the terminal: I couldn't find at the moment a specific direction, but broadly speaking when you point view towards the terminal VAS hugely increases (I noticed as much as 400/500MB in a step using the default trike).
PS: I use default texture for the airport, not LITEX neither highres textures.

Best regards

Giorgio

[keino333]

Sorry to hear that guys. I should have placed my disclaimer that I don't use FSX. P3D processes and returns memory more efficiently than FSX. In fact flying into AMS from the channel, I will see my memory decrease down about 225mb - 325mb but returns on average 200 mb. I don't see textures reload when I look away and look back towards the terminals or toward the fields.
My FPS default counter was on but you could not see my FSUIPC VAS at 656MB remaining (apologies its barred above the P3D window.)

[captain911]

Hey, Im also experienced 3 OOM.... 1 during my taxi for take off and 2 times during my landing on 18C. All 3 times I was using pmdg 737. The scenery its beautifull but not enjoyble yet. We need a solution big time.

[Sydney1962]

start to disable ORBX Vector and you will see world of relief,

can fly again all heavy aircraft like pmdg airbus dash7 and ifly from london , paris , frankfurt berlin
with 1.1 memory free space , and don't see more then max 150 mb dropdown during whole flight
and can land at Eham with 800-900 mb vas left from any direction

ORBX Vector is the troublemaker. and disabling Orbx LC Europe you will even get another 200 mb
extra free space.

have tested extensively, and it's not Fly tampa but orbx whats makes it unflyable.

rgds

[StudentPilot]

start to disable ORBX Vector and you will see world of relief,

can fly again all heavy aircraft like pmdg airbus dash7 and ifly from london , paris , frankfurt berlin
with 1.1 memory free space , and don't see more then max 150 mb dropdown during whole flight
and can land at Eham with 800-900 mb vas left from any direction

ORBX Vector is the troublemaker. and disabling Orbx LC Europe you will even get another 200 mb
extra free space.

have tested extensively, and it's not Fly tampa but orbx whats makes it unflyable.

rgds

Hi Sydney1962,

Do you have FSX ot Prepar3D?

Kind regards

[borisvp]

ORBX Vector is the troublemaker. and disabling Orbx LC Europe you will even get another 200 mb
extra free space.

Sorry, but what kind of advice is this? Spending money for addon scenery and then not using it to be able to use another scenery? Nah. You can think of ORBX what you want, but for many simmers it is a constant in their installation, and I for my part will not do without the overall benefits it gives to my sim (FSX, btw).

The detail and hi-res texture madness which can be observed in many newer addon sceneries is useless for a FLIGHT simulator - mostly it's a developer's showcase, nothing more. I'm fine with that, and I am also willing to pay the requested price (as I did here) - but I really would appreciate to be able to effectively turn down the details to make the addon flyable in an environment whicht does not only consist of the said addon.

I also bought the newly released TFDI B717, and this thing is also a VAS hog, which, in combination with the issue here, makes it impossible to fly into or out of EHAM with it. But for me, a complex aircraft is more important than a scenery detailed to this extent. I for my part see no difference in the much quoted immersion between for example FT's KBOS and this one here - except that KBOS is perfectly flyable with complex addon aircraft. But I do not buy a large airport scenery to go there with the trike.

So I would expect from FT either to modify the scenery in a way that it does not take more than 1 GB of VAS but "only" 500 MB or so or offer a refund to simmers who cannot use it in their installation. That would be fair.

Boris

[Sydney1962]

Hello Boris ,

If you add more value to an aircraft then scenery, you can also stay with default.
the problem with ORBX vector is that is works perfectly almost everywhere in the world
except in few areas. like Netherlands , London Area , Ruhr Area and few other areas.

when you read other topics here that most people flying heavy aircraft , have or disabled vector for these
areas , or people that don;t have installed vectors at all.

have tested last week with P3d only and pmdg and EHAM VAS 1,5 GB Free
p3d lc-europe pmdg and eham VAS 1.3 GB Free
p3d LC-europe & vector pmdg and eham VAS 650 mb free

so in fact when using ORBX yes or no there is 800 mb difference and Vector reduce your free space the most.

as long we don't have 64 bit simulator , sometimes we have compromise, to get best results.

to avoid all this problems go to xplane or DCS but I know there you will get other issues, that we don't
have in FSX or P3D.

[A51Rene]

OOM issues are really tricky:

User XYZ has a sim with a number of addons and never experiences an OOM.
User XYZ buys a new product, addon XYZ. Suddenly, there are OOMs in the sim, so the last added addon must be at fault here.

It's all about balance, being smart with settings, and making compromises. All addons are fighting for VAS these days, so one addon is going to seem guilty when it finally breaks the camels back.

Even after all the optimization that took place to make EHAM run this well for an airport this huge with this amount of scenery complexity and visual fidelity, it will still get blamed for VAS issues and OOMs, because for many users it is the 'last addon added that broke the camels back'.

[A51Rene]

I just did the 'Emilios run' (EHAM-EKCH), which was really enjoyable and performed well in terms of VAS with almost all bells and whistles:

- Left EHAM with 1GB VAS remaining.
- Arrived at EKCH at the gate with 650MB VAS left.
(Now time for the return flight in the same session)

Setup:
- FSX SP2
- 2048 textures
- PMDG NGX
- NL2000v4 (photoscenery + 3D model libraries)
- Orbx FTX Global, Vector & OpenLC (secundary & tertairy roads disabled)
- FSGlobal2010 Mesh
- REX Overdrive textures
- ASN
- GSX & AES
- IVAO traffic

Copenhagen with pretty much everything enabled in the configurator.
Amsterdam with most things enabled (with LITEX and 3D grass & 3D people off, as the important ones).

One of the best simming experiences I ever had, amazing job guys!

[borisvp]

Encouraged by your description Ialso tried this flight, and in worked

My VAS, however, behaved slightly different; wonder where this comes from.
- EHAM on ground: 750MB
- After departure: 800MB, then jumped to 1GB
- Enroute (still over NL): went down to 400MB and back up to 900MB
- While overflying EKCH: 600MB, then up to 900
- Landing and taxiing to stand: 350MB

I tried also a "stress test" with the TFDI B717 from UK2000 EGLL to EHAM with Vector disabled and everything turned off in EHAM. I could land, but had an OOM while taxiing to the gate.

Boris

[Sydney1962]

Boris

when I read your report, you noticed a vas drop above holland, can you say where this
drop appeared latitude numbers , because I have same noticed with orbx installed and there was no drop
when installed P3D , Eham and PMDG.