Amsterdam Texture Packs [v1.1]

[emilios[flytampa]]

forgot:
re: photoscenery is difficult to tell; but adding/removing our photo tiles make a tiny impact, if any. But photoscenery vs. landclass is not a direct comparison between sat image vs landclass textures. Photo-scenery will have different autogen annotations on it, and will impact VAS differently, not so much because of photo-size, but moslty due to autogen that is being loaded on top of it. Whether our photoscenery has any more dense autogen compared to FTX Global landclass I cannot know, but i imagine the difference would be negligible.

[emilios[flytampa]]

Emilios and Sydney,

i had reinstalled P3d from scratch on a fresh windows 10 and had more than 1.1 GB over after landing and taxiing at EHAM , this was WITH ftx global AND lc europe but without vector .
Also installed are AS2016 with ASCA and ENVTEX, GSX .

Going to try a next flight from the USA to EHAM on Monday .

Gerard

this would be very similar to our test runs with it.

[gerard]

Hi Emilios

this is with a fresh installed latest version of P3d with hf2

Gerard

[emilios[flytampa]]

Hi Emilios

this is with a fresh installed latest version of P3d with hf2

Gerard

was typing same time
and is this the default EHAM installation (i.e. no texture packs installed, or config settings tweaked?)

[Sydney1962]

Good to see , that we possibly have found a clue,

maybe that is also one of the reasons that makes flying into areas like London, Paris ,ruhrarea so difficult
even only with default airports.

I don't know if it have been ever tested in these regions to see
what vas consumption has been used solely by ORBX Vectors.

the question for me is when vector has been installed but switched off in the scenery.cfg
does it still effect vas usage during flight , because there are maybe Original files rewritten so in fact
although is it switched off the files are still used in the simulator during flight.
so switching them on or off doesn't have much effect in total VAS usage.

maybe this is also useful to test.

[gerard]

Hi Emilios ,

this is all without any tweaks in the cfg , just changed some setting in the setting display in P3D and the control panel from EHAM .

Just the default installation pack , no light pack.

It seems that if you run your pc with hyperthrading on you use some mor VAS , i read that in the P3D forum a while ago so i m running P3D with hyperthrading disabled .

[EDDG]

Good to see , that we possibly have found a clue,

maybe that is also one of the reasons that makes flying into areas like London, Paris ,ruhrarea so difficult
even only with default airports.

I don't know if it have been ever tested in these regions to see
what vas consumption has been used solely by ORBX Vectors.

the question for me is when vector has been installed but switched off in the scenery.cfg
does it still effect vas usage during flight , because there are maybe Original files rewritten so in fact
although is it switched off the files are still used in the simulator during flight.
so switching them on or off doesn't have much effect in total VAS usage.

maybe this is also useful to test.

I don't think that FTX Vector is THE major VAS killer on FlyTampa Amsterdam. Since I am not using Vector, but openLC Europe and FTX Global, but stillt got a maximum of 950MB free VAS on startup at AMS, and decreasing to around 750MB while changing views (with PMDG NGX).

I also have the feeling that the lite texture pack hasn't really solved the VAS problem, since I didn't mention any difference between the default installation of AMS and the lite texture pack afterwards. I received the exact same VAS measures before installing and after installing the lite textures.

Comming above the 1GB line of free VAS seems to be impossible for me atm.

My specs: Intel i5 3570K @ 3.4Ghz, NVIDIA GTX 760 2GB, Prepar3D v.3.3.5

[Sydney1962]

Gerard

If you look on ORBX forum and search for VAS usage Vector, you see that vector has a major impact
on VAS usage especially in 2-3 parts of the world , and also find that nobody from orbx give some useful answers on questions about this

besides from some user stupid answers as take another plane, or lower your setting.

I really think that they are aware of the problem , but they probabably have no idea how to solve it.
because topics are from 2015, and cannot find any useful answer back from orbx in regard to this until today.

it should be helpful if there should be an option to split up these vector data in countries
so you can test how much impact it has on each region.

especially the western european countries has to suffer from it.
we will see it now with london, amsterdam and frankfurt
and paris and brussel will follow soon when will be released coming time.

[Sydney1962]

Hello Emilios

Have flown today again EKCH-EHAM , both flytampa airport with Pmdg 737NGX and all stuff installed
Ai traffic 70% but WITHOUT !! ORBX stuff

VAS at EKCH - 1.5 GB Free at startup and Take-off
VAS at EHAM - 1.1 GB Free at Landing and taxi to the gate ( Landing runway 27 )

so, I think that ORBX stuff installed makes the difference , Cannot say now exactly
if FTX Global and LC europe can keep it flyable have to test is, but vector is certainly no go
for western-europe flying.

can you also check ILS glide scope , because it seems that Cat III landing is not possible
don't get autoland sign workable, it is picking up GS , but both autopilots are not staying engaged when landing. have tried 27, 18r and 06 until now.

thanks for feedback

rgds sydney

[emilios[flytampa]]

thanks.
An AFCAD update will be coming soon; we are aware of the ILS/GS issue..was some sort of side-effect of changing airport elevation to do some digging for 3d tunnel works.

[gerard]

Hi,

just landed EHAM , rw27 as UAE9934 , PMDG 77L .

Departed FSDreamteam KLAX this morning and after 9,24 hours landed in EHAM without problems. ( over England and Northsea ) 2 hours before departure i configured the plane at the fedex terminal at KLAX so tatal time is 11.24 and about 10 min taxi at EHAM,

VAS usage .

KLAX 2.812
after
2 hours 2760
4 hours 2779
6 hours 2745
approach 2780
at stand 3024

With AS2016 ASCA ENVTEX ftx ground , lc europe , lc amerika , online vatsim with traffic. WITHOUT ftx vector

[tk92]

Hi,

just landed EHAM , rw27 as UAE9934 , PMDG 77L .

Departed FSDreamteam KLAX this morning and after 9,24 hours landed in EHAM without problems. ( over England and Northsea ) 2 hours before departure i configured the plane at the fedex terminal at KLAX so tatal time is 11.24 and about 10 min taxi at EHAM,

VAS usage .

KLAX 2.812
after
2 hours 2760
4 hours 2779
6 hours 2745
approach 2780
at stand 3024

With AS2016 ASCA ENVTEX ftx ground , lc europe , lc amerika , online vatsim with traffic. WITHOUT ftx vector

Thats interesting. Only difference with me is ftx vector. With AS mega airport EHAM, I wasn't able to land without an OOM with my setup which included NL2000 photoreal scenery. I decided to untick NL2000 and I was able to fly to and from the airport again. I might try to disable FTX vector as well!

[emilios[flytampa]]

I think NL2000 is a good add-on, but being a freeware pack it means that it's not necessarily optimised for performance or memory load. I would only recommend this for some VFR flying.

and yes, Vector is indeed adding too much stress on the memory, especially for those regions.

[Michael Moe]

I have simular good VAS readings (like EKCH) with all ORBX/FTX but without Vector.

Around 800-1GB free VAS upon landing in the NGX TML 2048, normal Autogen and some shadows off. (moderat settings allthouh maxed complexity)

3D grass off

Vector fully can eat 400MB in EHAM (50% Vector =2-250mb)

P3Dv3.4.9.18.400

Michael Moe