Rough Runway Ends

_Dre_ · Post by **_Dre_** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:15 am

@ Jim

The bumpiness varies depending on aircraft. I tested again and this is what I got. Runway 31 with an A330-300 and A340-300: bumpiness is acceptable as the displaced threshold is short enough on that end where you are on the actual runway before it gets nasty (more speed).

On the 13 end however I tested with (CLS) A300-600, A330-200, A340-300. For the A300 it was alittle uncomfortable but I can live with it. With the heavier aircraft however (A330s and A340s) I was expecting the nose gear to collapse at any second. If the roughness is say at a level of 5/5 then bringing it down to a 3/5 would make it perfect in my opinion.

@Martin

With regards to compatibility with Mr Kwong's VHHH, just like someone in another post I noticed double bridges on the approach to 13 before you get to the turn. I think one is yours and the other from the freeware scenery (I am unfamiliar with the real area) so I'm wondering if there are supposed to be two bridges there or just one. On a side note, are there moving airport vehicles because I haven't seen any so far?

Also is it recommended to take these steps in this post here:

viewtopic.php?t=3122

jvile · Post by **jvile** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:17 pm

_Dre_

Thanks for the test. When I did the smoothness I used the default FS9 aircraft all the way down to the Cess 172. Even though based on its weight and sensitivity values it did bounce a fair amount but never crashed the nose wheel. The heavier the plane the less bounce.

I suppose many 3rd party planes have different levels of sensitivity which I did not test against. Many 3rd party plane designers start off using the Lear jet's .air and .cfg. At that point they rewrite some of the code to fit a heavy type plane. You see this technique used throughout the AI Plane community and it destroys the parking and weight restricted runway codes that I use at some airports.

Moveable traffic

I did place all the Airport ground support moving vehicles in the FSX versions. The Airport vehicle slider must be moved to the right to see all of the vehicles in motion. They travel on their own vehicle paths and do not conflict with aircraft that are taxing. I also added many Fuel Trucks in various locations so the wait for fuel is minimal.

I don't recall if ground support was added to the FS9 version which would have come from Martin. He will have to explain what is in FS9 and the double bridge issue.

MHTripple7 · Post by **MHTripple7** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:17 pm

Just for clarification, aircrafts do use full thrust in the displace threshold and I'm pretty sure they aren't that much bumpier than the rest of the runway.

Check out this video where the aircraft rotates at the piano keys.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bq8hiH3KJg8

Post by **martin[flytampa]** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:06 pm

_Dre_ wrote:With regards to compatibility with Mr Kwong's VHHH, just like someone in another post I noticed double bridges on the approach to 13 before you get to the turn. I think one is yours and the other from the freeware scenery (I am unfamiliar with the real area) so I'm wondering if there are supposed to be two bridges there or just one.

Only one. Its called Tsing Ma bridge.

_Dre_ wrote:On a side note, are there moving airport vehicles because I haven't seen any so far?

I have been in contact with Oliver (AES) to get animated HK buses, stairs etc onto the aprons. This is not in the current AES_HK because there was no time. With AES he can make these airport vehicle animations much nicer then I could because I don't have the means to make traffic stop when crossing a taxiway and such... And all aprons roads at KaiTak cross with taxiways at some point.

_Dre_ · Post by **_Dre_** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:07 pm

martin[flytampa] wrote:
_Dre_ wrote:With regards to compatibility with Mr Kwong's VHHH, just like someone in another post I noticed double bridges on the approach to 13 before you get to the turn. I think one is yours and the other from the freeware scenery (I am unfamiliar with the real area) so I'm wondering if there are supposed to be two bridges there or just one.
Only one. Its called Tsing Ma bridge.

_Dre_ wrote:On a side note, are there moving airport vehicles because I haven't seen any so far?
I have been in contact with Oliver (AES) to get animated HK buses, stairs etc onto the aprons. This is not in the current AES_HK because there was no time. With AES he can make these airport vehicle animations much nicer then I could because I don't have the means to make traffic stop when crossing a taxiway and such... And all aprons roads at KaiTak cross with taxiways at some point.

Just to be clear here; are you saying Oliver is making the regular moving airport traffic (not the AES ones that service your plane) kind of like his AES lite productions?

Post by **martin[flytampa]** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:34 pm

Sort of like that yes. I can't promise if and when, but it is quite possible.

_Dre_ · Post by **_Dre_** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:38 pm

That's all I needed to know, thanks. I kinda needed something to watch in between the awesome AI landings

. That's why I love LOWW so much as it has IMHO the best ground vehicles in FS9.

Post by **martin[flytampa]** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:32 pm

To smoothen the threshold, if you have Afcad 2.11, load AF2_VHHX or AF2_VHHX_Aerostat, double click the runway and in the Surface Dropdown change Bitumus to Concrete. Save and it will be smooth.

I'll include this in a future update as well.

Post by **martin[flytampa]** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:36 pm

Applying this patch will also smoothen the threshold:

www.flytampa.org/dwl/FlyTampa_HongKong_FS9_MemFix.exe

_Dre_ · Post by **_Dre_** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:05 am

martin[flytampa] wrote:Applying this patch will also smoothen the threshold:

www.flytampa.org/dwl/FlyTampa_HongKong_FS9_MemFix.exe

Thanks Martin. Tested it and it's perfect. I'm no longer nervous about my Airbus' nosewheels

.

Now my only issue is increasing my rate of (acceptable) landings to more than 1/3

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