Flytampa CYYZ P3Dv5

[A320Capt]

Hello George/Martin,

I want to apologize for maybe beating a dead horse here, but even with clear skies, looking off into the distance on 33R, in the (compatible testing of the) AS A330, I cannot get above 15-16fps in Toronto. I have turned the settings to the lowest possible yet functional setting (low-mid settings) all while running a i9-990k 5.0Ghz with a 1080ti. The issue is not out of memory, it's just a performance hog, and I'm looking for some guidance. Loading up Montreal is not nearly as bad, although when looking at the terminal, the frames drop about 5-10% from 30fps when looking away (but that can be discussed in another forum section if need be)

I'm sure it can't be my hardware..can it? Did I do something wrong? I am running the compatibility patch that's found in your forums.

Any pointers, guidance, comments, I am welcome to them. Maybe it's user error. Who knows.

Best regards, hope you're all doing well during these unprecedented times.

Daniel Desjardins

[george[flytampa]]

Hey Dan, I saw a big FPS leap at CYYZ in V5.
https://ft:forum@www.flytampa.org/forum ... 6&start=14

Try setting the frame rate to unlimited. Turn off dynamic reflections. Reduce AI etc.

[airbadger]

I was getting 14 FPS at Toronto last night in V5. Why does this scenery hit so much harder than every other add-on airport I have that uses way more PBR effects?

[aceridgey]

Despite different systems and sims,


P3d 5.1 HF1 still no real joy. FPS are just always going to be super low here. An uninstall.

[HarvesteR]

I also just arrived at Toronto with really stuttery frames in V5.1HF1. Would be nice to get this airport optimized somehow.

[airbadger]

YYZ performs, very, very, poorly. Perf wise, easily the worst add-on I own. I think there's something deeper going on than it just being a detailed airport. I've turned off every eye candy option and limited AI. But FPS and stuttering is still awful, especially on arrival for whatever reason.

[big_al]

How many settings I have to turn off and still less than 10fps at every part of the airport. Why? I have to disable PBR? I get better fps in p3d v5 version of Sydney v2 with Orbx Australia. What is special about Toronto area?

[ywg256]

Seems this is one of those lost cause addons. My system is a 10850K oc to 4.8, 3090, 32g ram, ssd, modest ai settings at 50 ai limited at airport, sparse scenery complexity using aerosoft a320 and getting a solid 20 FPS with 2x msaa in v5.1 with the hotfix. LOL. This is with virtually all options checked to off in the FT configurator... As a comparison Aerosoft EGLL with higher settings and 100AI limit I am easily getting 30 or more sustained FPS (smooth) as with most heavy airports I have checked on..Hell even FSDT KORD v2 using same settings as set up with CYYZ and 50AI limit I easily get 30fps. I just don't get it with CYYZ why this thing is such a pig and even with this beast of a machine....I'd like to hear from the guys at FT why even my machine cant handle CYYZ.

I checked bot cpu and gpu utilization and my 3090 and cpu are both at 30 to 50% and my temps are stable at max 60C. Sorry if I am hijacking this thread. George commented earlier but really in my opinion didn't offer anything to the discussion other than he is seeing performance increased in v5.That doesn't really help any of us here by saying keep check off settings and toast your ai. That doesn't sit well with me when I can easily go to other addons as mentioned above with even higher settings and get much better performance.

[Benncpp15]

@Ywg256

Still you have problems when everyone else can run it at 50fps plus. Maybe its your pig of a system? All the crap AI you have installed?
https://ft:forum@www.flytampa.org/forum ... hp?id=7261

I think its time you formated your SSD and tried again. It will be a problem your end.

[ywg256]

You are assuming i havent formatted my ssd? Im starting fresh dude. That pic you attached by the way is vanilla from the looks of it, i dont see shadows either and he obviously is not sitting in a study level ac in vc mode.... Pig of a system? Pretty rude dude. What exactly were you looking to accomplish replying to my post other than to be a prick.

[JNissen]

I'm using a highend PC in the same spec range as ywg256. I have been struggling with this for some time too. At 500 I'm clocking >40fps (as our "good friend" from above), at 50 this drops below 5 fps and at landing it's below 2 fps. Totally impossible to land a plane under such conditions. I also tried on a completely fresh SSD only with XP and only one addon a DC10. All slides in settings to the left and all reflection etc unticked. I reached 3-4 fps at the highest during landing. I'm pretty sure it's not the hardware as our "friend" indicates, mainly because all other Flytampa scenaries and other scenaries are 25-40fps at landings with most slides to the right in my settings.

I hope Flytampa takes a look at this soon.

Jan

[ywg256]

There is no doubt something funny going on when looking at the hammerhead terminal. I am going to play around with changing back and forth to sparse because i can get cyyz running very smooth at sparse. Ill try the airport editor by scruffy duck and see if i can find something....its only ever when looking at hammerhead terminal at higher scenery complexity. Something bizaare is going on there. Compare to just about any other scenery and its a total head scratcher. I would say it would be nice if martin would chime in but i dont think he was able to find anything to date. Oh well

I might be onto something. I went home for lunch to fire up ADE and have a look under the hood at a few things....I found something that might help but not 100% sure yet..will report back.

[ywg256]

The bad performance has to do with Toronto.bgl and that toronto_placement.bgl in the stock scenery folder. I am convinced of it. Default cyyz is popping up in scruffy duck ADE with all bgls for the default terminals in the Toronto.bgl folder and not the apx folder in scenery 302 by the way with no exclude box around the airport. To add to this further martin has always recommended a setting of sparse to get a performance boost. Further, if you drop down the settings in ADE for the default buildings set to sparse they no longer show up in ADE. Example, if you had scenery complexity set to sparse in p3d those default building would not show up however at normal and higher they would. This lines up then with what martin has suggested in the past. Even though the default terminals themselves do not show up in p3d i almost think they are showing up as phantom buildings somehow and adding to the performance heartache because if i turn both toronto bgls to off (i currently have the apx file to off as well) the performance cranks all the way to smooth 30fps with 90 ai sitting at cyyz using AS A320 VC on rwy 24r looking at hammerhead. In fact i tested a quick approach to 24r in my AS A320 and had no performance issues. Usually i am about 15fps to 20 unless on sparse with 50 ai. The problem is that i dont know how to delete all of the default terminals in scruffy duck and recompile the bgl so for now i turned toronto bgls to off. By the way i checked out downtown etc and i dont see a difference with having toronto turned to off.

I would be very interested in a response from FT on my findings

[vrouleau]

OMG, turn off toronto.bgl and toronto_placement.bgl did fix my FlyTampa CYYZ 'problems'. I lost downtown but how cares if I can smoothly taxi around. Please continue your experiments in ADE