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jaseman007
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by jaseman007 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:17 pm

eddk wrote:why should I change from a ten year old sim to an eight year old sim when todays hardware can't handle it? lol
Todays hardware handles it just fine. Head to avsim, check out the FSX forum and look at some of the computer specs going around. There's dudes on there with two year old systems that are running it fine.

Forget FS9, it's dead to developers now.

Jas
jaseman007
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by jaseman007 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:20 pm

Er!k wrote:As fas as I know, there will be an FS9 version as well!
Just don't get upset when it doesn't happen.

Live in hope though dude.

Jas
Richterr
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by Richterr » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:30 am

Been looking forward to this product since it was announced by FSDG, with flytampa over it just makes my excitement even bigger! Do anyone at this stage know if Kastrup surroundings and Dragør is going to be photoreal?

Regards Richter.
Dillon
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by Dillon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:56 am

Benncpp15 wrote:How come you guys are still using FS9? WTF, its 2013.
Very simple in 2013:

1. FSX 'STILL' doesn't have the volume of aircraft and scenery FS9 has (even if FlyTampa doesn't do this airport for FS9 we have 4 other versions to choose from).

2. There's no real incentive to move from FS9, here's the reasons:

A. AI Traffic offered is unchanged from FS9, some FSX only AI models in packages actually look worse than FSX/FS9 freeware offerings, and no one is updating packages for the current situation in the real world. For example, the new merged United Airlines is no where to be found in a full fledged payware package for FSX like 'Ultimate Traffic 2' and nothing is on the horizon (no updates or anything). You have to build everything yourself in Traffic Tools in each sim if you want something close to reality. The best AI models are freeware for both sims. In FSX or FS9 unless your an AI guru or into that sort of thing FSX/FS9 is in circa 2008 or a little bit past that time frame. FS9 can display more AI without issue than FSX...

B. FSX's ATC engine hasn't changed from FS9's.

C. Today FS9 (with Freeware and Payware) covers 90% of all the international airports in the world with detailed quality scenery the only exceptions being Africa in many areas and Auckland Intl.

D. FS9 can be made to look like FSX with 10 times better performance. The only exceptions for FSX being round Earth, the ability to fly into space, and HD city textures (we're working on the ground texture issue).

C. FSX's weather engine is actually worse than FS9's in it's depiction of snow and rain (thanks to REX and other options
clouds and sky look no different in FS9 than they do in FSX)

D. FSX has far less quality detailed aircraft to fly than FS9. I've read so many stories of payware aircraft that are great in FS9
and horrible in FSX because of port over issues (native FSX models work best). This makes the pool of quality aircraft in FSX that much smaller.

E. Thanks to Flight1 (Ground Environment Pro with the latest updates) every region of the world has it's own look in FS9. FSX only has North America, Europe and possibly parts of Asia (Australia). Forget the Middle East, Africa, Polynesia, and South America to name a few.

F. Obix is all the rage but we have that in FS9 to an acceptable extent with Georender, Misty/Tongass/Glacier Bay and Misty Mooring scenery. Bundled with FSCargo it's complete.

G. Carenado and FlyTampa have proven that HD aircraft/airports only thought possible in FSX is possible in FS9.

WHY WOULD ANYONE SPEND $800 LET ALONE $1000 ON HARDWARE FOR A SIM THAT HAS 75% LESS CONTENT THAN THE ONE THEY ALREADY HAVE? Some of us have been in this game for a long time (well over 10 years) with a well built up simulator that rivals the new and exceeds in many areas. New versions of FS were always an advancement all around over the last version. FSX is the true exception even today... FSX would mean we'd first have to buy a new computer (no problem), tweak/overclock the CPU (insanity concerning the CPU, only anal retentive people did this in years past), deal with the fact 75% of our scenery/planes no longer work (or they run like crap in their ported over to FSX versions), and deal with the fact outside of graphics it's basically the same sim but more headaches.

I don't mean to hijack this thread but people really irk me when they don't know what the heck their talking about or put others down for their sim choice. I can actually list more reasons slightly newer is not always better. By default in the next few years if MS still has their heads up their ^%$, FSX will be on all our HD's but so far we're not there (we may very well always have a split because of simple economics and lack of time people have bundled with the points I've made above). Choosing FS9 for those that don't have a tricked out FS9 setup to compare to FSX is mind boggling I know to newer FSX users at this stage of the game. For example I have every airport in Montana with detailed scenery (same for Minnesota), you can't find this for FSX because even today freeware support is geared more towards FS9 furthermore with our dwindled down community thanks to the FS9/FSX split we may never see this in FSX. Add to that new users won't touch FSX for the price of admission on both fronts, financial and techie level knowledge (a PS4 is easier these days). It's not an easy platform to get into and use like every other version in the series before it (and Flight after it).


FlyTampa in light of the comments raised here if you decide to make this airport FSX only I'm happy this is one of those times we in the FS9 world have options. Too many times this is not the case. If this was 'Auckland Intl' I'd be screaming as well for an FS9 version.
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athenian
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by athenian » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:16 pm

Sorry for asking, but what quality aircraft and NOT toys, does FS9 have, apart from the Leonardo Maddog?

I am talking about PMDG, or Level-D or FS-Labs quality.
SpeedbirdATC
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by SpeedbirdATC » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:39 pm

sigh... -_- you just said it right there, PMDG and Level D both have some FS9 products, Project airbus is freeware but it is for fs9 then we have PSS and ready for Pushback... I think I made my point -_-
Bakern
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by Bakern » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:26 pm

And what was this topic about again, aha, Copenhagen Airport...... :D

Please stop this nonsense about FSX vs FS9 in this topic, take a phone call and discuss it there instead.... :evil:


Btw, i'm really looking forward to this scenery.... :wink:


Brgds
Stein-Ove
Norway
Dillon
Posts: 109

Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by Dillon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:52 pm

Bakern wrote:And what was this topic about again, aha, Copenhagen Airport...... :D

Please stop this nonsense about FSX vs FS9 in this topic, take a phone call and discuss it there instead.... :evil:


Btw, i'm really looking forward to this scenery.... :wink:


Brgds
Stein-Ove
Norway
Hey, I didn't start it... :wink:
Dillon
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by Dillon » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:40 pm

athenian wrote:Sorry for asking, but what quality aircraft and NOT toys, does FS9 have, apart from the Leonardo Maddog?

I am talking about PMDG, or Level-D or FS-Labs quality.
If you have to ask that question the jokes on you... 8)
SpeedbirdATC
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by SpeedbirdATC » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:35 pm

I know this is not the topic but I do not have FS9 and I wish I did because of all the awesome add ons :wink:
Er!k
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by Er!k » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:40 am

Let's get back on topic... Really looking forward to this one. Especially for shorter hops to ESSA and other European destinations.
Sugi
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by Sugi » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:36 am

Flew fligtsim for the first time in 1993, bla bla bla....now i have FS9 & FSX/ACC installed, have tested both with tons of add ons, FREE & PAYWARE - love both sims....both have their limitations, but can....still be developed - amazing! - so stop bitchin' over these two great flightsimulators, that give you so much fun (and sometimes CTD) - so long live FS9 & FSX ;-)

Looking forward to see my local airport in eye candy details for FSX >>>YO! ;-)

FS2004/FSX DJ Sugiii
SpeedbirdATC
Posts: 206

Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by SpeedbirdATC » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:21 pm

not really that excited for this but I am for YSSY even if it is not KSEA :wink:
SpeedbirdATC
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Re: Copenhagen EKCH

Post by SpeedbirdATC » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:23 pm

also, are you doing CYYZ or CYTZ?
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