Low FPS in FS2004

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gaputz
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Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by gaputz » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:21 pm

tupolev154 wrote:I have a computer pretty close to what you are using. (Intel Core 3 instead of 2 but don't think it makes difference).

As the other person wondered, it could be true that FS could run better, but who knows, computers are strange sometimes. My computer is not really loaded of junk and works fast. However one thing that may make a difference... Are you using anti aliasing or anisotropic filtering?

Another kind which may (or may not) come to mind is the installation size, if there's a lot of addon airports and airport planes, FS will take longer to load, maybe slower too?

Thanks for the core tip too, and for anybody wondering how to assign cores etc, google is full of tutorials on how. There might even be programs for it... What's funny is that my computer seems to use all 4 cores when using FS9... Either I'm extremely lucky or have a bug.
I use a payware utility by FSPS called Multicore Environment to launch FS9. The utility allows you to designate which core your applications will run. As I understand it, if you manually force your system to run an application in a particular core you have to do this each time you start your computer. Multicore does it automatically when you launch FS9. My sense is that it helps but I have no bench tests to prove it. It is not an expensive utility, about $10 as I recall.

I have just under a 1000 addon airports/terrain files on my setup but I haven't noticed any performance degregation because of this volume. For sure it really slows down the lauch of FS9 but I suspect not as much as the huge number of AI aircraft I have installed. For me the AI aircraft are almost as important as the scenery because it is what adds action and life to the airports. It is an integral part of the scenery in my opinion. With this volume of airports, and the importance I put on AI traffic, you know why I have carried on with FS9! -- the huge investment I have made over the years in airports, and it has been commented in this forum that large volumes of AI traffic at large airports in FSX is a real performance killer. I think I am at a pretty good sweet spot with my set up of FS9.

Yes, I use anti aliasing and anisotropic filtering but I can't tell you right now my settings (I am on lunch break at work) which I set outside FS9. The settings were suggested to me from a friend who hired a consultant to set up his system (we had identical computers).

Cheers
Greg
robfind
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Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by robfind » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:24 am

SteveX wrote:
Benncpp15 wrote:Why don't you guys wanting to use crap old computers just run the old version of Dubai? No way the devs are going to hold back progress for you. It embarrassing watching you all expect special treatment for these antiquate computers running obsolete FS9 software. USE THE OLD LEGACY DUBAI SCENERY! Its designed to run on old computers.
I agrre with STEVE X.

I've been using both Sims for the last 12 years and I prefer FS9 since my machine is OLD LEGACY like this a$$hole said.My FS9 file is 40 gb big and I'm happy when I'm above 10 FPS.

CYUL is great thank you Fly Tampa.
Vuelo
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Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Vuelo » Sun May 11, 2014 12:56 pm

Hey there,

sorry for using this old thread, but I have some problems, concerning the performance in Dubai.
I bought Dubai Rebooted some days ago and was really shocked by its Performance.
I have Version 2.2 installed + the performance update + deactivating static vehicles on apron in the installer.
Nevertheless, I get only ~15 FPS all over the airport.

My Specs;
AMD fx-4170 @ 4,2 GHz
ATI HD6850 1024MB
8 GB RAM
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit

I don't understand the bad performance, having 30 FPS at your Vienna and several Mega Airports from Aerosoft (Frankfurt, Barcelona, Paris, Zürich, ...). And my FPS are locked at 30!

I already tried to deactivate all the city.bgl in Dubai and get about +10 FPS, but then the whole scenery looks very stupid.

Any solutions, tips for me?
Thanks in advance.
Benncpp15
Posts: 162

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Benncpp15 » Sun May 11, 2014 1:04 pm

Vuelo wrote: Any solutions, tips for me?
Thanks in advance.
Upgrade ASAP!!!!. I've seen better hardware pulled out of the trash.
Vuelo
Posts: 5

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Vuelo » Sun May 11, 2014 2:06 pm

Benncpp15 wrote:
Vuelo wrote: Any solutions, tips for me?
Thanks in advance.
Upgrade ASAP!!!!. I've seen better hardware pulled out of the trash.
As all other Add-On Airports work excellent on my pc, I don't see why to upgrade it.
The Problem seems to lie in the Dubai scenery.

I understand, that the FT Team does not want to compile a big, time-consuming fix for the performance of this few FS9 Users, but meanwhile there are lots of FS9 Users (I know not all), having Performance-Issues.
I think, I won't be the only one, appreciating it.
Swag
Posts: 15

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Swag » Sun May 11, 2014 3:59 pm

I've attached two screenshots. They show the main view towards the blue sky and a secondary view towards the ground. The first shows the OMDB ground and the second some ground a few miles north of OMDB.

As you can see the OMDB shot has half the FPS compared to the other one, even though there is pretty nothing but the ground texture in view.

The strange thing is that this is also true without the secondary views showing the ground. Even with only the blue sky in view the frames per second are halved when the aircraft is above the airport compared to when it is above the surrounding scenery, even though they are much higher of course.

Why is the performance halved when there is nothing in view, only depending on what terrain the aircraft is above? I have the same effect in ImagineSim's ZSPD but no other scenery afaik. Maybe it's a side effect of some FSX phototerrain command that's only been used in relatively recent sceneries?
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a few miles north of OMDB.
a few miles north of OMDB.
North_of_OMDB.jpg (35.53 KiB) Viewed 4414 times
right above OMDB
right above OMDB
OMDB.jpg (33.8 KiB) Viewed 4414 times
Vuelo
Posts: 5

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Vuelo » Fri May 16, 2014 11:14 am

No response from FlyTampa??
Charlier
Posts: 18

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Charlier » Fri May 16, 2014 2:30 pm

Vuelo wrote:No response from FlyTampa??
Maybe they busy or a weekend off, I'm sure there's a reason for the absence.
And they deserve it for 100%.

But serious now: I saw you're problem and I really think that the issue is within your FS9.cfg.
I do have FS9 and Dubai, with the difference, that my textures are sharp and beautiful.

Is it possible to display your settings here on the form so we can have a look?
And try to refresh your .CFG file it's in a hidden folder in case you didn't know.

Second solution: try to set your FPS slider within FS9 to the max and use an external FPS limiter (Included and checked for viruses)

Hope it works out for you, it's a really nice scenery
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Vuelo
Posts: 5

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Vuelo » Sat May 17, 2014 4:55 am

Hi,
thank you very much for your help!
Charlier wrote:Is it possible to display your settings here on the form so we can have a look?
Here you are:
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    KNEEBOARD_VIEW=121,8
    MP_PLAYER_CYCLE=84,11
    MP_PLAYER_SNAP=70,11
    MP_GO_OBSERVER=79,11
    MP_CHAT=221,11
    MP_ACTIVATE_CHAT=13,8
    PANEL_1=49,9
    PANEL_2=50,9
    PANEL_3=51,9
    PANEL_4=52,9
    PANEL_5=53,9
    PANEL_6=54,9
    PANEL_7=55,9
    PANEL_8=56,9
    PANEL_9=57,9
    AP_MACH_HOLD=77,10
    VIEW_FORWARD_UP=38,42
    VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_UP=33,42
    VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_UP=34,42
    VIEW_REAR_UP=40,42
    VIEW_REAR_LEFT_UP=35,42
    VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_UP=36,42
    VIEW_UP=12,42
    INVOKE_HELP=191,10
    TOGGLE_AIRCRAFT_LABELS=76,11
    ENGINE_AUTO_START=69,10
    INC_COWL_FLAPS=86,11
    DEC_COWL_FLAPS=67,11
    USER_INTERRUPT=27,8
    AILERON_TRIM_LEFT=37,10
    AILERON_TRIM_RIGHT=39,10
    RUDDER_TRIM_LEFT=45,10
    RUDDER_TRIM_RIGHT=135,10
    TOGGLE_FLIGHT_DIRECTOR=70,10
    TOGGLE_AFTERBURNER=115,9
    TOGGLE_MASTER_BATTERY_ALTERNATOR=77,9
    TOGGLE_AIRCRAFT_EXIT=69,9
    TOGGLE_WING_FOLD=9,8
    TOGGLE_TAIL_HOOK_HANDLE=9,9
    PANEL_HUD_TOGGLE=87,8
    SNAP_TO_PANEL=45,41
    MARKER_SOUND_TOGGLE=51,10
    TOGGLE_WATER_RUDDER=87,9
    TOGGLE_PUSHBACK=80,9
    KEY_CHASE_VIEW_NEXT=87,10
    KEY_CHASE_VIEW_PREV=87,11
    HEADING_BUG_SELECT=72,11
    ALTITUDE_BUG_SELECT=90,11
    CHASE_VIEW_TOGGLE=81,10
    EYEPOINT_UP=13,9
    EYEPOINT_DOWN=8,9
    EYEPOINT_RIGHT=13,11
    EYEPOINT_LEFT=8,11
    EYEPOINT_FORWARD=8,10
    EYEPOINT_BACK=13,10
    EYEPOINT_RESET=32,8
    AIRSPEED_BUG_SELECT=82,11
    TOGGLE_TAILWHEEL_LOCK=71,9
    ROTOR_BRAKE=66,9
    ROTOR_CLUTCH_SWITCH_TOGGLE=190,9
    ROTOR_GOV_SWITCH_TOGGLE=188,9
    VIRTUAL_COPILOT_TOGGLE=88,11
    VIRTUAL_COPILOT_ACTION=88,10
    [KEYBOARD_SLEW]
    SLEW_TOGGLE=89,8
    SLEW_ALTIT_UP_FAST=115,8
    SLEW_ALTIT_UP_SLOW=114,8
    SLEW_ALTIT_FREEZE=113,8
    SLEW_ALTIT_DN_FAST=112,8
    SLEW_ALTIT_PLUS=81,8
    SLEW_ALTIT_MINUS=65,8
    SLEW_PITCH_DN_FAST=119,8
    SLEW_PITCH_DN_SLOW=118,8
    SLEW_PITCH_FREEZE=117,8
    SLEW_PITCH_UP_FAST=116,8
    SLEW_PITCH_PLUS=57,8
    SLEW_PITCH_MINUS=48,8
    READOUTS_SLEW=90,9
    SLEW_BANK_MINUS=36,8
    SLEW_AHEAD_PLUS=38,8
    SLEW_BANK_PLUS=33,8
    SLEW_LEFT=37,8
    SLEW_FREEZE=12,8
    SLEW_RIGHT=39,8
    SLEW_HEADING_MINUS=35,8
    SLEW_AHEAD_MINUS=40,8
    SLEW_HEADING_PLUS=34,8
    SLEW_RESET=32,8
    TOGGLE_AIRCRAFT_LABELS=76,11
    EYEPOINT_UP=13,9
    EYEPOINT_DOWN=8,9
    EYEPOINT_RIGHT=13,11
    EYEPOINT_LEFT=8,11
    EYEPOINT_FORWARD=8,10
    EYEPOINT_BACK=13,10
Charlier wrote:And try to refresh your .CFG
Brings me from 11-15FPS before to 15-19FPS, but looks pretty ugly, as I haven't done any settings.
Charlier wrote:Second solution: try to set your FPS slider within FS9 to the max and use an external FPS limiter
No change, still 11-15FPS :(
Charlier wrote:Hope it works out for you, it's a really nice scenery
Yes, it's such a great scenery! It would be wonderful to play it at higher FPS.
Charlier
Posts: 18

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Charlier » Sat May 17, 2014 9:42 am

Hi Vuelo,

My settings are a little diffirent then yours, so lets try this:

Change these values in your FS9.CFG, but make an backup first.
[DISPLAY]
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=0.9
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=1.1
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=1.2
RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=1.3
UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=0
TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=550
TextureMaxLoad=10
[TERRAIN]
TERRAIN_ERROR_FACTOR=96.000000
TERRAIN_MIN_DEM_AREA=10.000000
TERRAIN_MAX_DEM_AREA=100.000000
TERRAIN_MAX_VERTEX_LEVEL=19
TERRAIN_TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=8
TERRAIN_AUTOGEN_DENSITY=4
TERRAIN_USE_GRADIENT_MAP=1
TERRAIN_EXTENDED_TEXTURES=1
TERRAIN_DEFAULT_RADIUS=9.500000
TERRAIN_EXTENDED_RADIUS=4.500000
TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=232


Second go to your display.CFG in the main map of your FS9, and check if you have these line:
AntiAlias=0

I have very sharp textures over the whole world and on any airport.
And no I don't have an high-end pc.

Further I would recommend that you use the AA from your graphics card and not within FS9.
So Anisotropic filtering=4x, Antialiasing setting=2x

I hear from you okay?
Vuelo
Posts: 5

Re: Low FPS in FS2004

Post by Vuelo » Sat May 17, 2014 10:28 am

Unforntunately, your suggested settings don't make any change in FPS. :?

Thank you for your efforts!!
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